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YFull and FTDNA

Two companies see the same branches differently: where ages disagree, how deep into the tree samples reach, and where a branch shows up at only one of them.

YFull

Branch ages: YFull against FTDNA Discover #

Branches with the same name in both trees: 19,086. For each, the age of the common ancestor (TMRCA) estimated by YFull is compared with FTDNA's estimate. On average YFull's estimate is 7% younger; YFull gives a younger age for 68% of branches. For 98% of branches the two estimates stay within each other's margin of error. The date a branch split from its parent (YFull's formed) is not compared here.

Where the estimates disagree

Branches with 100+ YFull samples where the two estimates differ by more than their margins of error allow (the 95% ranges do not overlap).

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  • I-M284 I2b-M284: YFull 7,100 years 8,200–6,000 · FTDNA 9,800 years 11,217–8,526 −27.4% · n=318
YFull

How deep into the tree YFull samples and FTDNA kits reach #

YFull samples are placed on the FTDNA tree, so depth can be compared directly. In the typical one of 67 countries a YFull sample sits 37.0 branchings from the root, an FTDNA kit 31.5. 34% of YFull samples reached the finest branch, against 24% of FTDNA kits. That is why the same country looks different at the two companies: YFull's whole-genome tests go deeper. On the maternal line there is no gap: in the typical one of 28 countries the depth differs by only −0.1 branchings, against +4.5 for Y-DNA. Both companies read the whole mitochondrial DNA.

Largest gap

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  • Lithuania: 39.1 / 31.1 (+8) on leaves 32% / 20% · n=224 / 1,867
  • Syria: 37.6 / 29.9 (+7.7) on leaves 36% / 30% · n=497 / 917
  • China: 28.1 / 20.5 (+7.7) on leaves 30% / 7% · n=1,404 / 1,072

Nearly equal

YFull

Where the two companies show a different picture of a country #

For each country the major-branch shares at FTDNA and YFull were compared (starred branches left out). Part of the difference is just the chance of small samples: it was estimated by comparing two random samples of the same size 120 times, then subtracted. The number in a row is the difference beyond chance, in percent; hover to see the total difference and the chance level. Then the branch that contributes most (FTDNA share → YFull share). 30 countries with 150+ samples at both companies, typical difference beyond chance 2.3%.

Disagree most

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Agree

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  • Norway: 0.3% observed 5.2% · chance 4.8% · I-BY266 12% → 17%

The same for mtDNA

The same for the maternal line. Under-typed samples with a bare letter (H, U, J with no digit) are left out; branches under 0.5% at both companies are lumped into “other”. 18 countries.

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  • Ukraine: 5.1% observed 11.1% · chance 6.0% · K1a 12% → 4%
  • Russia: 4.8% observed 6.7% · chance 1.9% · K1a 8% → 1%
  • China: 4.5% observed 13.1% · chance 8.5% · D5a 1% → 5%
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Blind spots: a branch prominent at one company and nearly absent at the other #

The branch makes up at least 4% at one company, and the gap between the companies is too large to be chance: at least 4 times the expected random scatter. This happens when one large project brings many samples to one company or customers reach the two companies by different routes.

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  • Sweden · I-BY266: 16.5% → 28.0% (+11.5) gap 7.9× the random scatter n=5,629 / 790
  • Chechnya · L-M22: 28.1% → 16.6% (−11.5) gap 6.0× the random scatter n=1,170 / 831
  • Russia · R-Y2898: 13.1% → 21.7% (+8.6) gap 6.2× the random scatter n=2,792 / 872
  • Albania · I-S2077: 10.5% → 2.1% (−8.4) gap 4.4× the random scatter n=152 / 426
  • Ireland · R-A541: 13.5% → 6.1% (−7.4) gap 4.4× the random scatter n=7,315 / 424
  • Scotland · I-L137: 4.7% → 11.9% (+7.2) gap 6.6× the random scatter n=5,145 / 455
  • Ireland · I-L137: 4.9% → 12.0% (+7.1) gap 6.3× the random scatter n=7,315 / 424

The same for mtDNA

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